Guest legend Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) So from what I've learnt, (and of course I'm living proof that it does work) is that if CBT works well if its implemented correctly for many , why the hell are people still waiting for very long periods on the nhs , for CBT ? I maybe wrong, but from what I've seen not a lot has changed much has it ? Legend Edited March 4, 2015 by legend Link to comment
Caramoole Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Nope :no: You're more likely to get seen through the IAPT scheme which is better than nothing but very basic. If seen by a Psychological well-being practitioner (which tends to be for most) most of their stuff you can find in a self-help book and most will already be aware of. You might also spend a session talking about "Compassion" towards yourself....like treat yourself to a bubble bath or 15 minutes with a coffee!!! Hmmmm???? Link to comment
Ashley Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 A lot as changed since we started the charity, so changed in 10 years, back then waiting times of 12-18 months was perfectly normal, in fact anything less was considered unusual and remarkable. So whilst IAPT quality is patchy, there is not increased access to therapy for the majority (still some areas like Wales and Scotland that need addressing). When we started access to CADAT was 18 months minimum, so again that has changed also, down to a few months now, waiting time to see Prof Salkovskis in Bristol is non existent. So it's fair to say things have improved in terms of speed of access to treatment, in terms of quality, perhaps a little improvement, just a little. Link to comment
Guest legend Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I did a video for action week re campaign for a better deal and access to better treatments .. But !! But !!! what we looking at in the sense of training these therapist's time wise ? 5-6 years so in essence longevity means not a lot going to change for the foreseeable future ? What also concerns me is that knowing CBT works why haven't previous, and now govts have not invested into a known treatment,that works really well !! I was going to apologise for being negative , but I won't I'm just saying it as it is ! Link to comment
Ashley Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sorry Legend but not sure that is accurate, you can't blame the governments for that. Both Labour and then the Tories invested/ re-invested millions in IAPT, which was to improve access to evidence based treatments. The implementation of IAPT was where it went wrong (in my opinion). Link to comment
Guest legend Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 A lot as changed since we started the charity, so changed in 10 years, back then waiting times of 12-18 months was perfectly normal, in fact anything less was considered unusual and remarkable. So whilst IAPT quality is patchy, there is not increased access to therapy for the majority (still some areas like Wales and Scotland that need addressing).When we started access to CADAT was 18 months minimum, so again that has changed also, down to a few months now, waiting time to see Prof Salkovskis in Bristol is non existent.So it's fair to say things have improved in terms of speed of access to treatment, in terms of quality, perhaps a little improvement, just a little.Has maudsley not been affected by the cutbacks due to austerity measuresGood to see no waiting list for PS , is that a first port of call , or a referral if local CBT not worked/helped ? Link to comment
Ashley Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Has maudsley not been affected by the cutbacks due to austerity measures Yeah it has, it was down to 1-2 months wait time, but last time I asked towards the end of 2014 it was back up to 4-6 months, but considering it is a national service that is still pretty good. Hopefully time will see it back to the 1-2 months wait it was. Link to comment
Guest legend Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sorry Legend but not sure that is accurate, you can't blame the governments for that. Both Labour and then the Tories invested/ re-invested millions in IAPT, which was to improve access to evidence based treatments. The implementation of IAPT was where it went wrong (in my opinion).Kind of invest in a new car , but have to put engine in yourself approach then re iaptNot political I'm aiming at !! I'm merely saying that access to CBT is still quite poor, locally for many 12 months plus, and that's just not local applied either Iapt great idea, pity not always good therapists in all areas Yes things improved in 10 years, but still difficult for people IMO. Link to comment
taurean Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I personally think - from someone who has used 2 psychiatrists and 3 therapists - that while waiting getting stuck into self-help preferably with a significant other plus if need be some meds using the forum and maybe a local support group would be good. If able to get private CBT eithe through medical insurance or self-funded that would be good. Link to comment
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