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More O than C? May cause spike if you suffer from "pure o"


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Had another assessment yesterday because they had basically messed the first one up..

Anyhoo, I was describing my intrusive thoughts and it was all going "just dandy" until I mentioned my mental compulsions.

To which she looked at me like I had come from another planet! She said she had never come across this. She also could not distinguish the difference between a mental obsession and a mental compulsion.

Although I did try to explain it I was wasting my time. She maintained that an obsession = thought and a compulsion = physical action.

So she said I am mainly obsessional with some OCD traits ???

Because I have harm related intrusive thoughts being told this really didn't do me any favours.

So I am obsessing about harming people and that's it!?

Obviously now I am ruminating and seeking reassurance. Which I haven't done for a while, Uuuuuurrgh..

Sorry it's a bit ranty and I hope I haven't upset anybody

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Unfortunately over here with our NHS system you get what you are given. Private OCD specialists are out of my price range too. At around £100 an hour I just can't fund it

Like the picture by the way :original:

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In that case, you could send her an article written by Philipson and Penzel on your thoughts. TBH, you shouldn't expect too much from her. She is not qualified to treat people with OCD. I hope you can fight to get the right therapist. You are paying for this as a taxpayer.

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What I've heard from a lot of people is that quite often we know more about OCD and appropriate treatment than our therapists and GP.

If they're truly caring then they will delve into research about it, and do everything in their power to tailor your treatment appropriately!

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Hi, seriously? She does not know pure o, or for that matter harm ocd???? One of the most common pure o thoughts?

She has to go back to school...

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Magicat, you've read (and I think, commented on, too) a number of my threads. It's taken me about 19 years to get an OCD diagnosis as I was wrongly diagnosed with GAD. My anxiety is never to just have a worry, it's very specific to one thing. Even when I presented with the harm obsessions to my GP he said I had "obsessive traits", that seems to be the new thing now. When I saw a therapist for my assessment she simply said "right, so your compulsions are sort of mental then? Have you heard of purely obsessional OCD before?" I've got to see an actual psychologist to get it diagnosed for the sakes of my medical record, but still. We're not crazy!

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Guest yinyang

Thanks for the replies guys :original:

To be fair I probably shouldn't ask too much from her as she wasn't a psychologist or a therapist. She was just an initial assessor as I'm still in my early stages of getting help through the NHS.

I have been referred though so hopefully this time I will actually get some help and hopefully get to see somebody who knows more about it.

It was briefly amusing at the time as we agreed to disagree but later on... The doubt sets in as always.

By me posting on here is a mental compulsion in itself as I'm asking for reassurance. I'm well aware of it but there is always that "what if" looming round the corner waiting to kick you when you are down!

I do have some obsessions that lead to physical compulsions also, mainly checking. So I think that's why she gave me the "OCD traits" label

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yinyang yep I've been there with asking myself wheteher I'm asking for reassurance. Sometimes, despite all the anxiety you've got to laugh at the way OCD can make us think! Well done for recognising it for what it is though, it's just the OCD :original:

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This really annoys me when actual professionals can not only be so wrong, but refuse to believe they can be wrong about it. When I went to a therapist she just thought I had a lot of disparate issues and basically asked me to diagnose myself. Having never considered ocd I just thought I was anxious so she put it as gad. How are we meant to get the right help when professionals are so woefully lacking? sorry that might seem unfair to her, but it makes me angry that she not only told you something wrong but she made you spike too and potentially set you back. I hope you manage to get the help you need xx

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Thanks gingerbread you aren't being unfair I am probably being too tolerant, this is another of my traits..

Although she may not have been an expert she should have a reasonable understanding of OCD. She is a mental health practitioner after all.

She was quite condescending also, good old NHS.

I am soon moving to north Norfolk which I have been referred to. The level of care seems to be much better in that area so fingers crossed.

It did spike me and I feel like I have taken a step back now. I will move forward again in time as we all will

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Guest legend

don't be put off yang. sadly there are pros out there who are clueless, and I personally would question her, as in what she knows about ocd, and what

her accreditation is and what expeiences she has of ocd

Remember you are the pro of the illness, a therapist is there to fix you.

hopefully youll get reffered to a proper therapist. and there are some bloody good ones on the nhs.

Will you be at kings lynn for treatment when you move ?

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Hi Yinyang, try not to dwell on these comments & I tell you for why.

I think assessment teams are qualified CPN's or similar, & it the process they need to go through to asses & evaluate your general mental health, & kind of build up a bit a profile about you. Also, I get the impression that similar to psychiatrists & psychologist, they may ask weird things, or say certain things as a kind of reverse psychology to either asses & motivate people.

I guess it possible that she simply has no knowledge about OCD, but think it more likely that she is actually very knowledgeable on a whole range of conditions, & acting dumb for the reason above. It sounds like you have ticked all the right boxes & being referred on, which is the main thing.

Try & relax, & hopefully it wont be long until your next appointment.

All the best.

You need to stay vigilant and let them know you have OCD. Tell them you researched it and you are holding your ground and you won't accept any other diagnosis. It sounds like you've done that already which is great!

Sorry PF, I know you mean well, but I suspect this could have an adverse effect if done too harshly.

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Sorry PF, I know you mean well, but I suspect this could have an adverse effect if done too harshly.

If someone with OCD is seeing a therapist who doesn't believe they have OCD, then the sufferer will be wasting their time or even be making their OCD worse with bad treatment. I'm not saying the OP should cause a scene or push too hard, but we also have to be a bit assertive to make sure we are getting the proper treatment.

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don't be put off yang. sadly there are pros out there who are clueless, and I personally would question her, as in what she knows about ocd, and what

her accreditation is and what expeiences she has of ocd

Remember you are the pro of the illness, a therapist is there to fix you.

hopefully youll get reffered to a proper therapist. and there are some bloody good ones on the nhs.

Will you be at kings lynn for treatment when you move ?

I will be at Hellesdon Hospital Norwich

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Hi Yinyang, try not to dwell on these comments & I tell you for why.

I think assessment teams are qualified CPN's or similar, & it the process they need to go through to asses & evaluate your general mental health, & kind of build up a bit a profile about you. Also, I get the impression that similar to psychiatrists & psychologist, they may ask weird things, or say certain things as a kind of reverse psychology to either asses & motivate people.

I guess it possible that she simply has no knowledge about OCD, but think it more likely that she is actually very knowledgeable on a whole range of conditions, & acting dumb for the reason above. It sounds like you have ticked all the right boxes & being referred on, which is the main thing.

Try & relax, & hopefully it wont be long until your next appointment.

All the best.

Yeah that is one way to look at it and as you say I have been referred which is the main thing for now

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You need to stay vigilant and let them know you have OCD. Tell them you researched it and you are holding your ground and you won't accept any other diagnosis. It sounds like you've done that already which is great!

I know what your are saying. We can be easily led into getting words put in our mouths without actually getting across how we feel. Which could lead to a misdiagnosis

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If someone with OCD is seeing a therapist who doesn't believe they have OCD, then the sufferer will be wasting their time or even be making their OCD worse with bad treatment. I'm not saying the OP should cause a scene or push too hard, but we also have to be a bit assertive to make sure we are getting the proper treatment.

I agree, but I would think Yinyang has not seen a qualified therapist yet, & merely seen someone qualified to make initial general assessments. I would think this referral will then result in seeing either a psychiatrist, psychologist, or CBT, or perhaps all 3.

With regards to

Tell them you researched it and you are holding your ground and you won't accept any other diagnosis.

Maybe I read it wrong, but I just think it a bit of a different culture over here because of the NHS & benefits system, & being too demanding may reflect badly & come across as trying it on, & so on.

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Guest yinyang

Yes Felix I haven't seen a qualified therapist yet and I hope I do get to see all 3! I am a bit rare, I should think they will lock me up and throw away the key :p

You are right philpson but our NHS is well, a bit hit and miss. Not to say its all bad I have had some excellent experiences in the past. We can't really demand too much, it's wrong but that's what we got at the moment. I can ask to see an OCD specialist but it is doubtful I will get to see one, I may be wrong though.

Plus we are british and don't like to complain. We would much rather wallow in our own self pity and moan about the weather

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Guest itsnotmeitsmyocd

Hiya Yinyang

Grrrrrrr, i feel angry for you mate.

Really, there is no excuse for anyone in that profession not to have knowledge on ocd and all other disorders.

I had the exact same thing happen to me as you, so i know how you feel.

It's important not to take it to heart and to fight one to get the treatment you deserve. Our intrusive thoughts are totally common in ocd, and as my therpaist said to me one day, i am a text book case! Chin Up Yingers :yinyang:

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