gingerbreadgirl Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 It wouldn't surprise me if eventually one of those contributors on that site became so angered that they take it a step further and this whole debate became much more public than what appeared to start simply as a dissatisfied Amazon . yes, I think he has already pushed a few to the brink. Link to comment
Guest legend Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 yes, I think he has already pushed a few to the brink. not me , never Link to comment
PolarBear Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 It does appear that Linden's responses on Amazon are more damaging than the original post. I heard a PR executive once say the first thing she tells her clients is, "Shut up, shut up, shut up." Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 It does appear that Linden's responses on Amazon are more damaging than the original post. I heard a PR executive once say the first thing she tells her clients is, "Shut up, shut up, shut up." haha, excellent advice in this case Link to comment
Guest Gale1982 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 There's an old saying - give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves - Problem is, I don't think there's enough rope in this case... Is anyone else starting to think that he actually believes what he's saying? I've never seen anything like it. I almost feel sorry for the poor guy. Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I've often wondered that - whether he believes what he's saying or not. Maybe he doesn't even know really. Link to comment
Guest legend Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 cures anxiety , but doesnt realise that a subsidary of anxiety is anger , interesting Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 cures anxiety , but doesnt realise that a subsidary of anxiety is anger , interesting ha, yes I've thought that! Also ironic that my anxiety and anger have both gone through the roof since trying to have a conversation with him. Link to comment
Caramoole Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I think you're all rotten!! That poor chap has received, read and replied (personally) to 974 e-mails today. Given one minute each to both read, consider and respond that's 16 Hours and 14 minutes...not to mention all the time taken to respond to the Amazon stuff and have a cup of tea, go to the loo etc. Shame on all of you Caramoole Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I think you're all rotten!! That poor chap has received, read and replied (personally) to 974 e-mails today. Given one minute each to both read, consider and respond that's 16 Hours and 14 minutes...not to mention all the time taken to respond to the Amazon stuff and have a cup of tea, go to the loo etc. Shame on all of you Caramoole :lol: Link to comment
Guest Gale1982 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Good point. I don't feel sorry for him at all now!!! - I'm so behind with my work though now, tomorrow's gonna be bad... Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 He now seems unable to provide an explanation for a particular review - and instead is getting very aggressive about it. Gale - you're definitely right about that saying 'give someone enough rope'! Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I know, it's unbelievable. At one point he says: "Could you please post your full name... address, work address and a photo here..." This alone I find extremely disturbing. Link to comment
Guest Gale1982 Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I know, it's unbelievable. At one point he says: "Could you please post your full name... address, work address and a photo here..." This alone I find extremely disturbing. Me too, it sent shudders up my spine. I think there is quite enough information on that thread now to help people make up their own minds. I hope he comes back though, just want to read what says next...I wonder if that trial data will come through? Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Yes, I suspect the "trial data" will not be the sort of data which is peer reviewed, regulated and published in an independent journal... I suspect it will consist of surveys taken by people contacted via social media who have already stated they had a positive experience (this based on his request for surveys on his Facebook page). This is all just speculation though - he may surprise us and provide some proper, robust trial data. Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 A further article from Paul Salkovskis re. Linden Method: http://psychonoclast.wordpress.com/2014/04/27/1-part-1-the-history-of-my-early-contact-with-the-linden-method/ For anyone who doesn't know who Prof Salkovskis is - he's a professor of clinical psychology, a patron of OCD UK (I think anyway - am I right about this?) and a leading expert on OCD. So he def knows what he's talking about. Link to comment
Caramoole Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 http://psychonoclast.wordpress.com/ Taken from Pauls Blog I will be putting up a series of blog posts. The overall title should be “The Linden Method, presenting “the truth”, and some thoughts on what it means when fair criticism of a commercial organisation by organisations led by people with personal experience and charities results in threats of legal action.” For me, what has been going on raises questions about the impact of money, power, the place (or not) of marketing in mental health, freedom of expression and criticism, “expert” endorsement, and the need to regulate the “self help” market in the context of extraordinary claims lacking in substance. In part 1, I will first discuss why I was asked to review the Linden Method and what happened over the following years and concerns I have about Linden’s behaviour towards people who run helpful bulletin boards for people with anxiety problems. In part 2, I will bring things up to date, and in particular consider the rulings of the Advertising Standards Authority against the Linden group’s advertising. In part 3, I will specifically address the critique made by Linden of my review, comprehensively refuting it. In part 4, I will examine the science which is claimed to lie behind the Linden Method, finding it completely wanting. In part 5 I will examine Claims of efficacy for the Linden Method, finding them completely empty of value. Finally I will summarise the whole lot, trying to draw it together. I will add these sections over the next few days Please note: I am happy to allow parts of these posts to be reproduced by mental health charities registered with the Charities Commission, provided that a link to the original blog post is also included. Private individuals may use links to this blog but should seek individual permission to reproduce sections to ensure that context is retained. I deny permission to any company, group of companies or individual connected with such companies who have a judgement made against them by regulatory bodies including but not confined to the Advertising Standards Authority, as I would personally regard this as a serious violation of ethics. Link to comment
gingerbreadgirl Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Thanks Caramoole, it does make interesting reading! I think he's published the first post in the series as well. Looking forward to seeing the rest. Link to comment
Guest legend Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) i hear that the "press" might take up the blog/story crash legend Edited April 27, 2014 by legend Link to comment
Caramoole Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 i hear that the "press" might take up the blog/story Where did you hear that? Link to comment
Guest legend Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) paul s tweet something for a journo ? or does that mean journalistic approach Edited April 27, 2014 by legend Link to comment
Caramoole Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I think he was just meaning it would make an interesting story for a journalist, that's how I read it Link to comment
Guest legend Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I think he was just meaning it would make an interesting story for a journalist, that's how I read it yep , sorry for getting that wrong !! 3 steps ahead Link to comment
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