PolarBear Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I'm not sure OCD does come into play with Bruce's threads. As long as I have read his threads, which is quite a few years, his main problem seems to be one of depression, not OCD. Everything is bad. Bruce feels worthless. Everything is a mistake. Life sucks. On and on and round and round. Been that way for years. However, his incessant, doom and gloom threads can be looked at as a compulsion. And there is always a number of posters willing to engage with his negativity. Is it really helping, given Bruce and those people have been doing the same thing for years? Link to comment
taurean Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I see where you are coming from PolarBear. (But bruces does have checking OCD which affects his work as a mechanic, if my memory serves me right - and probably contributes to the feeling of letting his folks down. So there are a few things going on - and bruces hasn't had the desire to get doing something about them, as apathy has struck - which now gives more fuel to the "it's too late, I will never be able to change" sideshow. Perhaps we might paraphrase the topic title to show bruces that this type of posting is an unhelpful compulsion. And to show him that carrying out a compulsion will only give belief to the obsessional thought.. Link to comment
bruces Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Ocd Is definitely there it's what started it all off many moons ago but depression now has certainly a huge part to play among a few others issues thrown into the mix,which have affected my ability to live massively. although clearly my response to my problems are a big a problem as the problems themselves,my repetitive postings are either a compulsion or just a way of ranting,even though I know it's probably the wrong thing to do,which I apologise for x Link to comment
taurean Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 It's good that you see it is the wrong thing to do, as it pushes you further down the OCD aggh, guilt, regret, then secondary depression then existentialism anxiety cycle. But ranting won't help, if there is that in the mix. Doing will. "Spoking" and part of that anxiety cycle will stop the rot, allow you time to recover. You can then earn the respect of everyone around you for battling your troubles and the recovery is started. Link to comment
PolarBear Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 OCD may have been a problem before but in my opinion depression has become the primary concern. I don't have as good a grasp on depression as i do OCD, but it seems to me that these repetitive, negative threads can't be doing you any good, Bruce. They keep you focused on the negative. I would think the antidote for negative thinking and behavior is purposefully doing the opposite, not pondering on why you think life sucks. Link to comment
Caramoole Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, PolarBear said: but it seems to me that these repetitive, negative threads can't be doing you any good, Bruce. They keep you focused on the negative. I would think the antidote for negative thinking and behavior is purposefully doing the opposite, not pondering on why you think life sucks. I agree We have dozens of threads of exactly this nature......and I know Bruces, that you have had extensive one to one support from Snowbear. There have been endless suggestions made, and yet, I haven't seen you actively take any of them on board or try to change your response and reactions. Even where depression is concerned a cognitive, behavioural response has been shown to be effective. The problem it leaves us with here is that the threads are simply allowing you to engage with negative, compulsive actions that are detrimental to you making improvements. Sure, it takes time to make changes. We will fail and falter hundreds of times along the way. We'll slip back into unhelpful behaviours but regardless of that, we have to resolve to make changes and start to implement them, even if it's in a small way. This is where I struggle Bruces because I've not seen that really. I think you have to keep pushing with your GP. You need to see him/her regularly so that they are aware that nothing changes. You need to ask for therapy and ask why you are not being offered support for your mental health problems, whatever category they might fall under. Link to comment
bruces Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 I know it's just what goes round in my head and I shouldn't post it on here I'm sorry I'll try to refrain in future. on a seperate note caramoole,have you heard from snowbear recently,I don't want any details I just wondered is she ok? Link to comment
daja Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Here’s some hobbies you could take up: Reading Watching TV Family Time Going to Movies Fishing Computer Gardening Renting Movies Walking Exercise Listening to Music Entertaining Hunting Team Sports Shopping Traveling Sleeping Socializing Sewing Golf Church Activities Relaxing Playing Music Housework Crafts Watching Sports Bicycling Playing Cards Hiking Cooking Eating Out Dating Online Swimming Camping Skiing Working on Cars Writing Boating Motorcycling Animal Care Bowling Painting Running Dancing Horseback Riding Tennis Theater Billiards Beach Volunteer Work Link to comment
helen10937 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, daja said: Here’s some hobbies you could take up: Reading Watching TV Family Time Going to Movies Fishing Computer Gardening Renting Movies Walking Exercise Listening to Music Entertaining Hunting Team Sports Shopping Traveling Sleeping Socializing Sewing Golf Church Activities Relaxing Playing Music Housework Crafts Watching Sports Bicycling Playing Cards Hiking Cooking Eating Out Dating Online Swimming Camping Skiing Working on Cars Writing Boating Motorcycling Animal Care Bowling Painting Running Dancing Horseback Riding Tennis Theater Billiards Beach Volunteer Work Link to comment
bruces Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Thank you,I think I do or have done a lot of those on the list! Link to comment
Caramoole Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 So what about some volunteer work? Snowbear is just taking a little time out at the moment Link to comment
helen10937 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Good. Hobbies help distract u from the negative thoughts so you feel less depressed and have a better quality of life. Edited November 27, 2018 by helen10937 Link to comment
bruces Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 43 minutes ago, Caramoole said: So what about some volunteer work? Snowbear is just taking a little time out at the moment But she's ok? Link to comment
Caramoole Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, bruces said: But she's ok? Yes Now in answer to mine.... 52 minutes ago, bruces said: So what about some volunteer work? Link to comment
Angst Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) Hi Bruces You always make similar existential statements in your threads and people always make the same range of comments in response to your statements. For example Caramoole makes the same comment as I did in one of your threads. You never or very very rarely answer questions. Therapy depends on dialogue as does support. Question: have you ever had therapy? It did cross my mind that volunteer work would be a good thing. Charities depend on the altruism of their volunteers but it also takes them out of themselves to help solve practical purposes. It helped me. I did a lot of volunteering with the homeless and with a mental health charity. Mental illness can make us egocentric: thinking about our problems and our perceptions of our problems. Joining a charity will mean joining a collective project. Could joining such a project be an existential solution? So what about some volunteer work? Edited November 28, 2018 by Angst Link to comment
bruces Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 Hi thank you for all your kind replies,I need to take some time and try and figure out what I'm going to with my life. Link to comment
Angst Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Nothing to figure out. Just do. Link to comment
Caramoole Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Quote Hi thank you for all your kind replies,I need to take some time and try and figure out what I'm going to with my life. It's not going to happen Bruces. You're not going to sit, think it out and *BINGO* have a light bulb moment. As Angst says, this is about doing. ....and again, you've completely ignored direct questions. So how's about it? Link to comment
felix4 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 6 hours ago, bruces said: Hi thank you for all your kind replies,I need to take some time and try and figure out what I'm going to with my life. No problem... Glad I have been of assistance. Joking aside, if I were you, I would contact your GP and ask for a reassessment of your symptoms, and if need be, push for CBT for OCD and/or depression. Link to comment
bruces Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 Sorry I'm not being rude I'm just trying to think what to say to people,I was having private cbt a few weeks ago but wasn't working for me. Link to comment
dksea Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, bruces said: I was having private cbt a few weeks ago but wasn't working for me. Something to keep in mind, therapy is only going to be effective if you put in the work. Its not the sort of thing where you'll have (as mentioned above) that "light bulb" moment and everything will click in to place, problem solved. Therapy is like an exercise regime. Your trainer can tell you what exercises to do over and over, but if you don't actually do them, you won't get any better shape out of it. So ask yourself, where you putting in the work with the therapy, or were you merely going and hoping to have things "solved" for you just by talking them out? Edited November 29, 2018 by dksea Link to comment
Caramoole Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 How many therapy sessions did you actually have? Link to comment
bruces Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 I had 3 sessions,it was kind of just a talking therapy I didn't get any homework or anything,like I did in previous therapies. Link to comment
Angst Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 My last therapy was three sessions and very disappointing. I have had good therapy in the past. If you have depression and OCD then a good way to measure the degree of depression is Beck’s Depression Inventory. It was used on a weekly basis for depression during the good therapy sessions. Link to comment
Bodger Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 For me Bruces, right know, I agree life makes little sense, but maybe it will one day? I have learnt to live with that, not easy I know. Link to comment
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