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Please try not to post these detailed obsessions.  Lets turn this around and keep the conversation about what you can try and do to change the way you are dealing with this rumination, what you can do to move forward and feel better.  It is not in your best interests to allow or facilitate repeated posts like this.  Come on Moser...let's work at trying to turn this around in a beneficial way :)

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here in the forum what other can i say?

 

 

i am feeling better. BUT i have some intrusive thoughts that the volume is kinda toned down and they are like

 

intrusive thoughts: do you forget about these coincidences? are you sure you should forget them?

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Okay. Those are two valid intrusive thoughts. The question is, what should you do about them?

The answer is nothing. You are absolutely allowed to leave them alone. There is no rule that says you have to sit there and think and think about such thoughts.

You can leave them alone and turn your focus onto important things. 

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7 hours ago, Moser said:

intrusive thoughts: do you forget about these coincidences? are you sure you should forget them?

Yep

7 hours ago, Moser said:

so, instead of the usual analyzing. I just ignore them.

Yes again :)

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ocd: you are feeling better because you ignore those what ifs. by ignoring them you are forgetting them. Thats why you feel better. But by forgetting them does not change anything. Forgetting about the what ifs does not confirm that they did not happen.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Moser said:

ocd: you are feeling better because you ignore those what ifs. by ignoring them you are forgetting them. Thats why you feel better. But by forgetting them does not change anything. Forgetting about the what ifs does not confirm that they did not happen.

 

 

It's fine to keep ignoring them Moser. The focus on them and the meaning you assign to them is just a symptom of mental illness so it's fine to ignore so that you can start to feel well again. 

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Try writing down a 'To do list' of 3-5 things (unrelated to theories, coincidences and worries) that you want to achieve/get done today. Those can be your goals for today. Your goal is not to work out whether the coincidences have any greater significance, just to do the things on the list- they can be things like watching a film, exercising, eating something delicious or speaking to a friend or just things that need doing. 

Then when you're doing those things every time a thought about a coincidence comes up think 'I'm letting myself off from thinking about these today and I'm focusing on getting my 'To do list' completed instead'. 

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My ocd is about a very specific bad punishment from God or Gods. I have been worrying for that punishment for almost 4 years. At first, I was worrying about Christian God. Then, I was worrying about ocd promises that i was forced to make to ChRISTIAN God, then I was worrying about hypothetical Gods that maybe accepted those ocd promises. Now, I worry about being punished because of the photos of a place that I took in whichh HYPOTHETICALLY a man may have vanished 5-15 minutes before and HYPOTHETICALLY it may have been a glitch in the system.

 

Probably, there was not any glitch and the man did not vanish. There are ways and buildigns he may have went when i was not seeing him. Still, I worry. I worry cause i cant confirm it. The photos were just photos of the place and there were not any glitches in them. I was not trying to capture anything. I just wantede the place in my photos in order to show the place to 2 friends and together find ways and buildings that the man may have gone to.

 

Coincidences happen that support my recent ocd worry. My ocd is telling me that maybe these coincidens are bad signs from Gods of the simulation or the programers to tell me about the photos.

 

 

But then again, coincidences happened in the past about a different worry and i was able to label them as coincidences. Now, its the same story all over again. My mind is worrying about that punishment and i do not want to say what it is exactly.

 

Do I really deserve this? I am a mentally ill man with scrupulosity. I fear God or Gods a lot. If They know me, They should now that. What if Gods do not care about me and just want to torture me with bad signs?

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48 minutes ago, Moser said:

 

My ocd is about a very specific bad punishment from God or Gods. I have been worrying for that punishment for almost 4 years. At first, I was worrying about Christian God. Then, I was worrying about ocd promises that i was forced to make to ChRISTIAN God, then I was worrying about hypothetical Gods that maybe accepted those ocd promises. Now, I worry about being punished because of the photos of a place that I took in whichh HYPOTHETICALLY a man may have vanished 5-15 minutes before and HYPOTHETICALLY it may have been a glitch in the system.

 

Probably, there was not any glitch and the man did not vanish. There are ways and buildigns he may have went when i was not seeing him. Still, I worry. I worry cause i cant confirm it. The photos were just photos of the place and there were not any glitches in them. I was not trying to capture anything. I just wantede the place in my photos in order to show the place to 2 friends and together find ways and buildings that the man may have gone to.

 

Coincidences happen that support my recent ocd worry. My ocd is telling me that maybe these coincidens are bad signs from Gods of the simulation or the programers to tell me about the photos.

 

 

But then again, coincidences happened in the past about a different worry and i was able to label them as coincidences. Now, its the same story all over again. My mind is worrying about that punishment and i do not want to say what it is exactly.

 

Do I really deserve this? I am a mentally ill man with scrupulosity. I fear God or Gods a lot. If They know me, They should now that. What if Gods do not care about me and just want to torture me with bad signs?

Hi Moser,

I think writing down your worries has become a compulsion. If you look back over this post you're not actually asking anything- just re-stating things that you've written before. That's not a criticism but just to point out that completing this compulsion isn't actually helping you.

For someone without this type of worry- I can clearly see that the coincidences that you experience mean absolutely nothing and that there is no reason to assume you will be punished by any God/higher power but you're in the thick of it with your mental illness just now and trying to argue with your own head just isn't working well. I have silly intrusive thoughts too- they make no logical sense but they plague me just like yours do you.

Try to shift your focus. You can't stop the worrying thoughts from popping into your head but you can change how to react to them. 

Have you made contact with any therapists yet?

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‘I am a mentally ill man….’ Yes. So you need professional help. You are going around and around in a mental loop. Make an appointment tomorrow.

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my problem is about two kinda hypothetical but yet possible coincidences.

 

I thought about a kinda rare expression and 1 almost a second later, there are high chances that my brother said the same phrase. I did not hear him clearly but there are 60-70% chances that he said that phrase.

 

One other day, I was analyzing that coincidence/phrase again and again and MAYBE a woman from outside said the key word from that expression. I did not hear her clearly but the last syllabe sounded like the same word. If she really said that, then it came as a perfect synchronicity. i think here the chances are 40-50% of her saying that word from that phrase. By perfect synchronicity. I mean that its as if she completed my sentence

IF these 2 coincidences really happened, then it means that there is something going on here.

 

I know that there is a possibility that I heard wrong in both situations but i cant be sure. what if Gods tried to send me a sign and I missed it because I did not hear clearly?

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8 hours ago, Angst said:

‘I am a mentally ill man….’ Yes. So you need professional help. You are going around and around in a mental loop. Make an appointment tomorrow.

Agree.  You need to make an emergency appointment now, where you are staying or get back to your home base in Athens and make one there.  Either way, you need some professional support now :)

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can somebody just talk to me?

 

i kinda try to ignore these thoughts but subconsciously my mind is focused on it. i feel depressed and have a sligh headache from worrying. i just wanted TO BE HAPPY!

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1 hour ago, Moser said:

can somebody just talk to me?

 

i kinda try to ignore these thoughts but subconsciously my mind is focused on it. i feel depressed and have a sligh headache from worrying. i just wanted TO BE HAPPY!

Hi Moser,

What are you doing today? (that's not related to any psychiatric stuff). Did you manage to phone or email a therapist?

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i feel as if i want to die.

 

my mind is like:

 

ocd: simulation theory may be real. maybe there was a glitch. maybe you angered Gods of the simulation. maybe They searched about you and wanted to punish you with something you fear. So, They are sending you signs in order to torture you and to tell you that you are punished. whenever you think it is ocd, They arrange for a coincidence to happen in order to tell you that you are punished.

 

 

I WANNA START SWEARING AND INSULTING AND PUNCHING EVERYTHING. but noooooooooo. I am too scared to do that becasue I am angered Gods.

 

 

I AM TIRED!!

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You are mentally torturing yourself. You are immersed in your mental loop. This common in mental illness. Can you talk to us about everyday things apart from your simulation beliefs? As BelAnna requests. You need to reach out for professional help today.

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I know that you keep saying that you want to wait until you return to your base city Moser but you need help now.  If you fell and broke a limb or had appendicitis  you wouldn't wait a month you'd seek emergency attention and that's what you need right now for your mental health crisis.  You can still seek specialist.ist local help later but you need support now :)

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6 minutes ago, Moser said:

and most importantly. WHAT IF OCD IS RIGHT?

It cannot be right. It's a mental disorder. 

Have you phoned the Psychologist that Ashley recommended? Or anyone else yet? 

The only way for you to find out that this is just a symptom and nothing more is to get help. 

If you don't then this loop of fear will just continue. Remember how you feel about my OCD (it just seems a bit daft and not worth worrying about)- that's how you can feel about your own obsession/delusion if you get help! 

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29 minutes ago, Moser said:

and most importantly. WHAT IF OCD IS RIGHT?

Those are not questions we're going to engage with.  I want you to think about getting some help....and if not, why not?

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Because I dont want to treated by a psychologist (even though she knows cbt) because I think I need a psychiatrist andI do not want to give money for a doctor that may not help me. Is there any difference between psychiatrist cbt and psychologist cbt?

 

 

its not just the irrational thoughts. if it were only the irrational thoughts I would have been good.

 

The problem is the coincidences that support the thoughts.

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