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taurean

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  • Birthday 27/04/1950

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    Northampton, England
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    Olympics (especially London 2012),Athletics,Swimming,Photography, Astronomy, Archaeology, Antiques Programmes on TV,Art. Choral and Classical Music, Jazz, Fishing, Aerobic Exercise, Gardening, National Trust, Wildlife

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  1. I learned that OCD lies exaggerates or creates revulsion (e.g. urine, vomit) and to a non-sufferer our OCD intrusions are worthless nonsense they wouldn't give any time of day to. So I learned to use "The Four Steps" concept of Jeffrey Schwartz to first label an intrusion OCD, re-attribute it to OCD, refocus away without responding by carrying out compulsions, then revalue to show myself that my true character values remain intact. Eventually I learned mindfulness, which enables me to step away from obsessing and compulsing, and simply be in the present in the moment.
  2. When we learn through CBT that our agonising intrusions are really just worthless nonsense to non-sufferers - things they would waste zilch time on - we can make progress. Here are two examples, from my own teen and younger years, of how an OCD intrusion really is just silly worthless nonsense. I dropped a florin (a two shilling piece from pre-decimal days) in a Woolworths store, and it rolled right under the display cabinets, out of my reach. It would be the equivalent of 10 P I think. So it wasn't a significant loss, and I just let it be and left. Then I started obsessing about that coin. Could it cause damage or danger where it was? Should I contact Woolworths and have them remove the display cabinets and reclaim my "threatening" florin? After a few hours of pointless ruminating I applied what I now know to be a behavioural experiment to this issue. And I didn't know then that this was OCD. I considered the evidence for and against my florin causing a threat. And of course the answer came back no threat at all. I immediately stopped the ruminating, wrote off the value of the coin and forgot the whole thing. In modern CBT we use evidence in a behavioural experiment to test whether we think what OCD is saying is true, as opposed to us worrying that it is true. Some 48 years ago I applied that concept without knowing I had OCD, or that that would become an important tool in tackling OCD. And over the years I did so a few times. The other example involved a stay in a hotel in Holland as part of a school trip. I inadvertently dropped a spot of cigarette lighter fuel on the sheet in my room. I didn’t think any more about it at the time. But when I got home I had the thought that that speck of lighter fuel spilled on the sheet had caused the hotel to burn down! I had the compulsive urge to find a way to contact the hotel to check they hadn't burned down. At this point I sat down and thought this out and realised the intrusion was complete and utter nonsense. Having satisfied myself of that, I immediately stopped ruminating and forgot about the whole thing. This "behavioural experiment" approach to tackling an OCD intrusion - is it true or are we just worried it might be true - is for me a powerful tool in the CBT armoury, and features prominently in the book "Break Free From OCD", co-written by OCD-UK patron professor Paul Salkovskis.
  3. No, but you can dump it. When we stop giving belief to, connecting with, or carrying out compulsions about OCD intrusions, they lose power and frequency. You have to work hard to cross the gain line beyond which the OCD starts to lose power. But when you do, the process becomes easier and easier, the gains greater.
  4. Why should I? Apply that criteria and I would be washing myself all day every day against all kinds of " threats". There are only my wife and I at our home. Do we care about each others bodily fluids spilling on us in some way, around the home, in the shower or toilet? No. Why? We are intelligent people, and we see no fear or threat. We don't have OCD whispering a false, exaggerated or revulsive core belief in our ear.
  5. You are feeling revulsion Dave. Normal aspect of OCD, which tends to be based around falsehood, exaggeration or revulsion. So what if you catch a bit of someone else's urine when using the family toilet? It may not be pleasant, but it really isn't the off the scale grossness your OCD is telling you it is. And that is what you need to work on. Understanding how OCD works, why we sufferers think and feel the way we do, and why carrying out a physical or mental compulsion as a result of an OCD intrusion only ever makes things worse not better.
  6. taurean

    Doctors appointment

    Apart from the diarrhoea I initially experienced, I found I needed to take the drug no later than 19.00 hrs, otherwise it would keep me awake at night. Some OCD sufferers, especially those with OCD around health worries, will read the possible side effects, obsess that they might get them, then start to - from that imagining - appear to experience those symptoms. This is just another unfortunate example of how OCD throws spanners into works. I think the way to deal is to accept that there may be some initial side effects. With the adverse imagining I think it may be best to see if you might be imagining the symptoms, understand what is happening, and practice leaving the fear be and getting on with other things. And see if things improve. But some side effects may require immediate medical advice to be be sought - as described in the leaflet accompanying the medication.
  7. taurean

    Doctors appointment

    A good CBT therapist should certainly be able to help you with social anxieties. Remember, OCD seeks to add layers of restrictions to our daily lives and these only help to marginalise us, and aid the cognitive distortion of mind-reading, where we think negative things about what others think of us, even though there is actually no evidence to support that. OCD sought to do this to me. But I fought it and overcame it - and became very much a socialite, a real "IT" boy and still am very much a social person.
  8. taurean

    Doctors appointment

    The keeping trying to remember won't help you Headwreck. It's a compulsion and you know compulsions just make things worse. And OCD fabricates - plus like the conveyor belt of prizes to choose in The Generation Game - it presents us with a conveyor belt of lies falsehoods suggestions and alleged connections to sew doubt and confusion. Each time this happens don't be fooled by it. Stop ✋ that line of thought and refocus away Keep doing this until it happens automatically. This will itself at first tire you mentally but it's a case of short term pain for long term gain. If I can do this - and I have - so can you. Very many people have also learned to do this successfully.
  9. taurean

    Has anyone had EMDR?

    I had it alongside CBT. My psychologist and I were hoping it might break the Brainlock that kept my OCD intrusions constantly-repeating in an episode. It didn't work for that. Eventually I discovered other ways to do that.
  10. taurean

    can we discuss meds

    I agree with Paul. I had an initial failure with Citalopram - gave me constant diarrhoea, and with Fluoxetine ( turned me into a dozy zombie). But I tried Citalopram again, initially using a diarrhoea treatment prescribed by my doctor - until my body got used to the drug and the diarrhoea stopped. It's been excellent for me, really helped.
  11. This is an example of OCD obsessional thinking Morix. It's called magical thinking because the fear is actually completely irrational - though it seems real to the OCD sufferer. When you get such a thought, try using "The Four Steps", a treatment concept devised by Jeffrey Schwartz as a supplement to essential CBT. Step 1, you see it as being OCD. Step 2 you re-attribute its core belief ( I acted bad I should be arrested) to OCD rather than yourself. Step 3 you refocus your mind away from the intrusive thought and on to something beneficial and distracting. Step 4 you revalue what has happened and that the OCD intrusion said nothing about you as a person, your true character values remain intact. This tool gives us something powerful to work with, and we see that the OCD core belief is simply lies, totally worthless nonsense.
  12. A classic non-OCD possible worry for we Brits is Brexit. People think I "ought to be" worrying about it, because it's bound to effect me in some way, possibly adversely. So I say I have done what I could do (voted in the referendum) and there is absolutely zilch I can do about Brexit. So I refuse to worry about it
  13. Been working all afternoon overhauling and repairing drains and rainwater channels. Could do with some "gutter" humour. 

    1. taurean

      taurean

      I suppose I will just have to go with the flow :biggrin:

      Otherwise I might go round the bend :D

      But success on this job was just a pipe dream :lol:

      Until I straightened things out, so they didn't grate any more :)

       

       

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      taurean

      Pulling handfuls of stinking dark moss and earth  up out of the sumps of the three drains today would I think have qualified for one of Sir Tony Robinson's "Worst Jobs In History" :(

      Fortunately I was wearing disposable rubber gloves :)

       

  14. There was a good saying by an American I think it was : "Don't sweat the small stuff". Worrying then catastrophising is, as you realise, only damaging and restrictive. And when worry teams up with OCD obsessional thinking and repetitive focusing, it is doubly damaging. If these small things are general worry and resultant fear, the serenity prayer may help. "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference". If you think they might be driven by OCD, look for the obsessional repetitive thinking, the urge to respond with mental or physical compulsions, and the disorder in terms of continuing distress anxiety tension stress. Looked at rationally by a non-sufferer OCD obsessions are actually worthless nonsense. The compulsion that is consequent upon an obsessional thought and makes our thinking go round and round seeking answers, researching, is called ruminating rather than worry.
  15. taurean

    My post

    I know, I understood what you said. But you have to forget it. As you hinted, this is simply the latest of many obsessional intrusive thoughts. And, unless you gather yourself together and begin to see these as the OCD they are, and leave them be and refocus away from them, then they will continue to occur. I used to be besieged by triggers when out and about, or when reading the news. I learned this was OCD trying to trap and restrict me. I stopped giving belief to or connecting with them. I stared them out in structured exposure and response prevention sessions. I treated them as just my silly obsession. I am doing well now and don't get besieged by triggers. So I know that CBT works.
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